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**Shulgin**

team 3 vs team 1:

team 1 failed miserably
http://weewar.com/game/184303

**Hal2000**

So based on the games I've played and watched other teams play, I think WGY is the weaker team on this version of Europe. The base counts are misleading since in all of our games, after the initial captures both teams were within 1 or 2 bases of each other. The problem really comes for white. White is the hardest position to play due to the early pressure from Purple and Red. White has little to no room to make any mistakes and I believe that if exactly matched players were playing all positions, white would still be over run before any other color. Purple/Yellow have little to no danger of being killed. Blue/Green have pretty equal chances of dying to each other. Red can be killed over time, but the 20/21 bases makes Red able to survive for a longer than white.

I'm guessing we will see that WGY is the most likely team to lose throughout this tournament.

What does everyone else think who is playing?

**RockyDog**

so far we've noticed the same. white is usually the first to fold.

**Warmaker**

White gets rolled and then it's a matter of time. Blue teams are winning early but we have to flop sides to make sure equal skill levels play both sides.

I think Blue/Red/purple do have an advantage.

**DeathByBeaver**

Warmaker wrote:
Team Blue wins : 4
Team Purple wins : 1

I take it team Purple is YGW

**Warmaker**

This is correct. Team Yellow is what I meant to say. Nitpicker!

**jeye**

Hal2000 wrote:So based on the games I've played and watched other teams play, I think WGY is the weaker team on this version of Europe. The base counts are misleading since in all of our games, after the initial captures both teams were within 1 or 2 bases of each other. The problem really comes for white. White is the hardest position to play due to the early pressure from Purple and Red. White has little to no room to make any mistakes and I believe that if exactly matched players were playing all positions, white would still be over run before any other color. Purple/Yellow have little to no danger of being killed. Blue/Green have pretty equal chances of dying to each other. Red can be killed over time, but the 20/21 bases makes Red able to survive for a longer than white.

I'm guessing we will see that WGY is the most likely team to lose throughout this tournament.

What does everyone else think who is playing?

I tend to agree with this observation although sometimes red can get 22 bases.

**Shulgin**

jeye wrote:
I tend to agree with this observation although sometimes red can get 22 bases.

or 17

**RockyDog**

**jeye**

if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504

**RockyDog**

jeye wrote:if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504

the question is whether 4.08 is allies biased. white seems to crumble first in most games.

**Hal2000**

RockyDog wrote:

jeye wrote:if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504

the question is whether 4.08 is allies biased. white seems to crumble first in most games.

Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger.

**Daphron**

I think he wasn't referring to the tournament being unfair.

**jeye** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 16/09/2009 08:17:34

Hal2000 wrote:

Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger.

Maybe this can be compensated to a certain extend by having the most skilled player of a team play white.

**RockyDog**

jeye wrote:

Hal2000 wrote:

Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger.

Maybe this can be compensated to a certain extend by having the most skilled player of a team play white.

It certainly can as you (white) are beating me silly (purple). But the question is whether the map, played a large number of times among equally skilled players, would have white in a fair position.

08/09/2009 17:26:10 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Shulgin Tank Offline	team 3 vs team 1: team 1 failed miserably http://weewar.com/game/184303
08/09/2009 18:28:36 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Hal2000 Raider Offline	So based on the games I've played and watched other teams play, I think WGY is the weaker team on this version of Europe. The base counts are misleading since in all of our games, after the initial captures both teams were within 1 or 2 bases of each other. The problem really comes for white. White is the hardest position to play due to the early pressure from Purple and Red. White has little to no room to make any mistakes and I believe that if exactly matched players were playing all positions, white would still be over run before any other color. Purple/Yellow have little to no danger of being killed. Blue/Green have pretty equal chances of dying to each other. Red can be killed over time, but the 20/21 bases makes Red able to survive for a longer than white. I'm guessing we will see that WGY is the most likely team to lose throughout this tournament. What does everyone else think who is playing?
09/09/2009 00:16:36 Re:Official Euro Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	so far we've noticed the same. white is usually the first to fold.
09/09/2009 00:29:41 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Warmaker Berserker Offline	White gets rolled and then it's a matter of time. Blue teams are winning early but we have to flop sides to make sure equal skill levels play both sides. I think Blue/Red/purple do have an advantage.
09/09/2009 12:11:34 Official Euro Tournament
DeathByBeaver Raider Offline	Warmaker wrote: Team Blue wins : 4 Team Purple wins : 1 I take it team Purple is YGW
09/09/2009 12:37:55 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Warmaker Berserker Offline	This is correct. Team Yellow is what I meant to say. Nitpicker!
09/09/2009 15:02:37 Re:Official Euro Tournament
jeye Tank Offline	Hal2000 wrote:So based on the games I've played and watched other teams play, I think WGY is the weaker team on this version of Europe. The base counts are misleading since in all of our games, after the initial captures both teams were within 1 or 2 bases of each other. The problem really comes for white. White is the hardest position to play due to the early pressure from Purple and Red. White has little to no room to make any mistakes and I believe that if exactly matched players were playing all positions, white would still be over run before any other color. Purple/Yellow have little to no danger of being killed. Blue/Green have pretty equal chances of dying to each other. Red can be killed over time, but the 20/21 bases makes Red able to survive for a longer than white. I'm guessing we will see that WGY is the most likely team to lose throughout this tournament. What does everyone else think who is playing? I tend to agree with this observation although sometimes red can get 22 bases.
09/09/2009 17:13:32 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Shulgin Tank Offline	jeye wrote: I tend to agree with this observation although sometimes red can get 22 bases. or 17
09/09/2009 23:59:36 Re:Official Euro Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	<waits for stirlings input on 4.08 being biased against the axis due to whites position>
10/09/2009 06:26:49 Re:Official Euro Tournament
jeye Tank Offline	if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504
12/09/2009 00:01:11 Re:Official Euro Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	jeye wrote:if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504 the question is whether 4.08 is allies biased. white seems to crumble first in most games.
14/09/2009 17:19:54 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Hal2000 Raider Offline	RockyDog wrote: jeye wrote:if you want an axis biased europe map you can play http://weewar.com/map/43504 the question is whether 4.08 is allies biased. white seems to crumble first in most games. Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger.
14/09/2009 22:13:30 Re:Official Euro Tournament
Daphron Raider Offline	I think he wasn't referring to the tournament being unfair.
16/09/2009 08:15:58 Re:Official Euro Tournament
jeye Tank Offline	Hal2000 wrote: Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger. Maybe this can be compensated to a certain extend by having the most skilled player of a team play white. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 16/09/2009 08:17:34
16/09/2009 10:16:32 Re:Official Euro Tournament
RockyDog Berserker Offline	jeye wrote: Hal2000 wrote: Ultimately it doesn't matter since both sides have to play as white at some point. It is a bit of a shame, since the games would be more interesting and allow for longer games and more developed strategies if white was a little bit stronger. Maybe this can be compensated to a certain extend by having the most skilled player of a team play white. It certainly can as you (white) are beating me silly (purple). But the question is whether the map, played a large number of times among equally skilled players, would have white in a fair position.