Weewar Forum

**VTTruck**

you dont think the larger undulation of waves in the open sea would slow down amphibic and speedboats?
if anything the real boats should move normal and small boats slower. also representing that the
smaller cousins are meant for near shore operation.

**Darkbee**

In TBS games that I've played deep water is typically the domain of larger naval vessels like Battleships, Destroyers and Subs, while the shallower waters are for patrol boats (speed boats) and landing boats (unit transport). In each case, the types of vessels described are restricted to their depth of water.

Naturally, it means that you have to have at least one deep see hex connecting a harbor to the rest of the deep water (if you want it to be able to produce larger ships and have them go somewhere) but you can use shallow water to prevent larger ships sailing down "rivers" inland, and also to keep larger ships away from land in general.

I like the idea of having at least 2 different water depths, I don't think it would alter gameplay too drastically but just enough to make things interesting.

**Rahl**

VTTruck wrote:you dont think the larger undulation of waves in the open sea would slow down amphibic and speedboats?
if anything the real boats should move normal and small boats slower. also representing that the
smaller cousins are meant for near shore operation.

I meant movement cost, so boats/subs move faster, hover/speedboat moves same; although I could see boats/subs move same, hover/speedboat move slower could work out too.

**DieNacht**

I like the idea. But why not make the cities produce troopers (and maybe Raiders). You can recruit/draft people of a city into the army/militia and raiders are light vehicles so I think a normal city can produce such a thing (but everything else shouldn't).

**Lucian**

I don't see why subs would really move any "quicker" 1000m under the sea then they would at 500m. Jetboats and hovers would hover need to contest with the massive waves. This could also be used well with say shallows and coral tiles to give the big bad boys a bit of a disadvantage as well.

**Casaubon**

I support the requests for
bridge++++
road+++
deep sea++
town++ (income generating tile with no production ability)
victory spot+ (for capture the flag play)

I´ve made many many non geometrical maps. I´d love to have more options making them feel more realistic!

**Shulgin**

+1 deep sea

for the reasons rahl pointed out well. in my opinion all the other stuff would needlessly complicate the game. what we need it proper team play (it's been a while since somebody mentioned that in the forum

)

**Lucian**

All the ones Casa mentioned along with shallow water. Shallow water should allow light and heavy troopers, hovers and jetboats to cross. It'll be the bomb for rivers.

**Casaubon**

if they d realize shallow then tanks should be able to cross as well

**Lucian**

Yeah... at a movement rate of 1 per turn I guess it'd make sense.

Then again heavy troopers wouldn't be any quicker.

**Casaubon** · This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 24/03/2009 18:11:27

see original Weewar Terrain Wiki here
see this message (updated 24th of March) in html here

Notes Land

NEW: Towns generate half the income specified (for cities) and can not produce any units.

NEW: Roads have no combat effect on terrain tiles they cover but increase movement only.

(Road tiles of any shape can be placed on plain, forest, swamp, mountain, sand)

NEW: Tank is besides trooper the only land unit capable of crossing shallow water with a -3 modifier on attack/defence and +0.7 on movement.

Ground and hovercraft units repair 6 points on a Repair Field.

NEW: Bunkers can be captured and in game setup optionally activated as victory points (capture the flag mode enabled).

Notes Navy

Subs have a -2 modifier on attack while on harbors and have now a NEW +2 modifier in defense on deep water.

NEW: Bridges can be crossed by navy with a -1 modifier in movement and defense.

NEW Speedboats are not affected by any modifiers for naval units on harbor and bridge but have a +0.3 movement and -1 defense modifier on deep water.

NEW: Destroyer, Sub, Battleship can not enter tiles of shallow water.

Amphibious units (hovercrafts) have a -1 modifier on defense while on airfields, harbors, deep water and also a NEW +0.3 modifier on movement in deep water.

Notes Aircraft

Air units can only repair on the owner's airfields or neutral airfields. They repair 3 points.

**VTTruck**

love all the concepts. would want to see them phased in slowly.

still would want to see replay re-enabled prior to any other gameplay changes.

**Lucian**

Nice. They look good. The only issue I have is with the roads going through mountains/forests... and even swamps to a degree. Would roads in these places function the same as on the plains? It seems a bit weird to have a road where vehicles cannot pass.

**Casaubon** · This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 01/03/2009 16:31:58

Im not sure what you mean with "where vehicles cannot pass"?

If you dont want them to pass then you simply dont place a mouhtain with road tile but a conventional mountain tile instead in the map editor.

NEW: Roads have no combat effect on terrain tiles they cover but increase movement only.

If this was unclear an example might help:
"Trooper on mountain attacks adjacent tank on swamp" has exactly the same combat calculation like
"Trooper on mountain with road attacks adjacent tank on swamp with road" or
"Trooper on mountain attacks adjacent tank on swamp with road"
"Trooper on mountain with road attacks adjacent tank on swamp".

Movement example:
A trooper has 9 movepoints. Its moves on any tile with road would cost the same amount of movement points (regardless what kind of terrain is below). ZoC effects would not be altered.

**Lucian**

I know that in reality we've done and made everything, but I meant in terms of game play purposes it just feels... weird. Having a hovercraft drive through a forest or mountain road... a little odd. I get what you're trying with this but it just feels off.

23/01/2009 11:35:45 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
VTTruck Berserker Offline	you dont think the larger undulation of waves in the open sea would slow down amphibic and speedboats? if anything the real boats should move normal and small boats slower. also representing that the smaller cousins are meant for near shore operation.
23/01/2009 13:25:21 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Darkbee Berserker Offline	In TBS games that I've played deep water is typically the domain of larger naval vessels like Battleships, Destroyers and Subs, while the shallower waters are for patrol boats (speed boats) and landing boats (unit transport). In each case, the types of vessels described are restricted to their depth of water. Naturally, it means that you have to have at least one deep see hex connecting a harbor to the rest of the deep water (if you want it to be able to produce larger ships and have them go somewhere) but you can use shallow water to prevent larger ships sailing down "rivers" inland, and also to keep larger ships away from land in general. I like the idea of having at least 2 different water depths, I don't think it would alter gameplay too drastically but just enough to make things interesting.
23/01/2009 20:50:41 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Rahl Raider Offline	VTTruck wrote:you dont think the larger undulation of waves in the open sea would slow down amphibic and speedboats? if anything the real boats should move normal and small boats slower. also representing that the smaller cousins are meant for near shore operation. I meant movement cost, so boats/subs move faster, hover/speedboat moves same; although I could see boats/subs move same, hover/speedboat move slower could work out too.
25/01/2009 19:55:22 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
DieNacht Trooper Offline	I like the idea. But why not make the cities produce troopers (and maybe Raiders). You can recruit/draft people of a city into the army/militia and raiders are light vehicles so I think a normal city can produce such a thing (but everything else shouldn't).
26/01/2009 22:04:37 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Lucian Berserker Offline	I don't see why subs would really move any "quicker" 1000m under the sea then they would at 500m. Jetboats and hovers would hover need to contest with the massive waves. This could also be used well with say shallows and coral tiles to give the big bad boys a bit of a disadvantage as well.
18/02/2009 12:51:22 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Casaubon Tank Offline	I support the requests for bridge++++ road+++ deep sea++ town++ (income generating tile with no production ability) victory spot+ (for capture the flag play) I´ve made many many non geometrical maps. I´d love to have more options making them feel more realistic!
18/02/2009 14:39:24 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Shulgin Tank Offline	+1 deep sea for the reasons rahl pointed out well. in my opinion all the other stuff would needlessly complicate the game. what we need it proper team play (it's been a while since somebody mentioned that in the forum )
19/02/2009 04:45:34 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Lucian Berserker Offline	All the ones Casa mentioned along with shallow water. Shallow water should allow light and heavy troopers, hovers and jetboats to cross. It'll be the bomb for rivers.
23/02/2009 13:50:47 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Casaubon Tank Offline	if they d realize shallow then tanks should be able to cross as well
24/02/2009 01:32:20 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Lucian Berserker Offline	Yeah... at a movement rate of 1 per turn I guess it'd make sense. Then again heavy troopers wouldn't be any quicker.
27/02/2009 23:43:50 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Casaubon Tank Offline	see original Weewar Terrain Wiki here see this message (updated 24th of March) in html here Notes Land NEW: Towns generate half the income specified (for cities) and can not produce any units. NEW: Roads have no combat effect on terrain tiles they cover but increase movement only. (Road tiles of any shape can be placed on plain, forest, swamp, mountain, sand) NEW: Tank is besides trooper the only land unit capable of crossing shallow water with a -3 modifier on attack/defence and +0.7 on movement. Ground and hovercraft units repair 6 points on a Repair Field. NEW: Bunkers can be captured and in game setup optionally activated as victory points (capture the flag mode enabled). Notes Navy Subs have a -2 modifier on attack while on harbors and have now a NEW +2 modifier in defense on deep water. NEW: Bridges can be crossed by navy with a -1 modifier in movement and defense. NEW Speedboats are not affected by any modifiers for naval units on harbor and bridge but have a +0.3 movement and -1 defense modifier on deep water. NEW: Destroyer, Sub, Battleship can not enter tiles of shallow water. Amphibious units (hovercrafts) have a -1 modifier on defense while on airfields, harbors, deep water and also a NEW +0.3 modifier on movement in deep water. Notes Aircraft Air units can only repair on the owner's airfields or neutral airfields. They repair 3 points. This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 24/03/2009 18:11:27
28/02/2009 01:02:00 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
VTTruck Berserker Offline	love all the concepts. would want to see them phased in slowly. still would want to see replay re-enabled prior to any other gameplay changes.
01/03/2009 05:34:48 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Lucian Berserker Offline	Nice. They look good. The only issue I have is with the roads going through mountains/forests... and even swamps to a degree. Would roads in these places function the same as on the plains? It seems a bit weird to have a road where vehicles cannot pass.
01/03/2009 16:17:23 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Casaubon Tank Offline	Im not sure what you mean with "where vehicles cannot pass"? If you dont want them to pass then you simply dont place a mouhtain with road tile but a conventional mountain tile instead in the map editor. NEW: Roads have no combat effect on terrain tiles they cover but increase movement only. If this was unclear an example might help: "Trooper on mountain attacks adjacent tank on swamp" has exactly the same combat calculation like "Trooper on mountain with road attacks adjacent tank on swamp with road" or "Trooper on mountain attacks adjacent tank on swamp with road" "Trooper on mountain with road attacks adjacent tank on swamp". Movement example: A trooper has 9 movepoints. Its moves on any tile with road would cost the same amount of movement points (regardless what kind of terrain is below). ZoC effects would not be altered. This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 01/03/2009 16:31:58
02/03/2009 00:37:08 Re:Proposed New Terrain Types
Lucian Berserker Offline	I know that in reality we've done and made everything, but I meant in terms of game play purposes it just feels... weird. Having a hovercraft drive through a forest or mountain road... a little odd. I get what you're trying with this but it just feels off.