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**Lucian**

Thank you very much for that.

**spadequack** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 16:15:52

As Round 1 wraps up, everyone go ahead and start Round 2 whenever you're ready.

Round 2 is on "Copy of Jovana's Fields" by General Death : http://weewar.com/map/31562

Again, please comment on replacing the Round 3 Map "Higher Straits v1.2" with this one:
"Stirling's Meadow" by Stirling : http://weewar.com/map/25744

I think it is balanced and will not end up being a terribly short game because the bases are well spread out and none are in the center.

**Tygerdave**

DO the replacement please. Higher straights is a boring map for red, blue controls all the early action and a lucky hit in the middle can end the game before it really gets going

**madmike** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 19:08:46

According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced.

**Muzzafar** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 21:03:39

spadequack wrote:I am thinking of replacing the third round map (jeye's Higher Straits 1.2) with Stirling's Meadow: http://weewar.com/map/25744 .

As Stirling has pointed out to me, Higher Straits has all of the power in the middle; whoever wins the middle essentially wins the game. Additionally, such maps are really difficult to balance well. I imagine games on this map would take fewer than 20 rounds for the middle to be decided. I haven't played the map much, but in my experiences on it, I feel that that is true. What do you all think?

Not sure about everyone else, but I personally dislike Higher Straits very much - for exactly the same reasons as stated by Stirling.
My only comment to Meadow would be that it is not exactly symmetrical, is it? (But I trust Stirling made sure it is balanced.)

**spadequack** · This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 25/01/2009 22:42:59

Muzzafar wrote:

spadequack wrote:snip

Not sure about everyone else, but I personally dislike Higher Straits very much - for exactly the same reasons as stated by Stirling.
My only comment to Meadow would be that it is not exactly symmetrical, is it? (But I trust Stirling made sure it is balanced.)

Meadow is very close to symmetric. The swamp placement and border water tiles are different but they make negligible difference in gameplay. Only red can capture first turn to offset blue's FTA. I'm not sure how the rest plays out since I haven't played that map yet.

**Juffe**

I disagree that Higher Straits is all about the middle, and I disagree that one colour always wins. But it's ok if it's replaced, because it's too much about the first moves.

**VTTruck**

madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced.

Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already.

**Darkbee**

VTTruck wrote:

madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced.

Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already.

To be fair on of those plays was against me and I probably s@%#w with the curve.

Although I did play someone on that map, who is of about the same skill level as me, with myself as blue and I got slaughtered. So, I'm leaning towards bias is with red.

**VTTruck** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 26/01/2009 11:35:30

Darkbee wrote:

VTTruck wrote:

madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced.

Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already.

To be fair on of those plays was against me and I probably s@%#w with the curve.

Although I did play someone on that map, who is of about the same skill level as me, with myself as blue and I got slaughtered. So, I'm leaning towards bias is with red.

I'm not sure this one is done either way, but I certainly don't feel like i've lost it yet.

http://weewar.com/game/135026

**Lucian**

You can still recover V, but I'm unsure if mike will let you. Good luck on it though.

**Darkbee**

Interesting coz when I looked at the game earlier I think VT had a slight advantage.... must be that red bias kicking in.

**VTTruck** · This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 28/01/2009 16:34:57

funny, i still think i'm in the game. someone point out where its clearly lost for me and i'll surrender to mike
here and now.

edit: games done, pretty sure i didn't lose.

**Tygerdave**

spadequack wrote:
Games should be set up with a 1 day pace and should be rated. All units are allowed. Chat should be open for spectators. Do not boot idle players unless they have been idle for 1 week.

I overlooked this rule and since I broke it, I'm removing myself. My apologies and well wishes to Decapitus.

**Hal2000**

I think dropping out is silly. I watched that game and you had him beat which he admits. If he feels he had a chance to win, play another game and settle it. Having him take your place for an honest mistake isn't the answer.

25/01/2009 05:45:01 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Lucian Berserker Offline	Thank you very much for that.
25/01/2009 16:15:24 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
spadequack Heavy Tank Offline	As Round 1 wraps up, everyone go ahead and start Round 2 whenever you're ready. Round 2 is on "Copy of Jovana's Fields" by General Death : http://weewar.com/map/31562 Again, please comment on replacing the Round 3 Map "Higher Straits v1.2" with this one: "Stirling's Meadow" by Stirling : http://weewar.com/map/25744 I think it is balanced and will not end up being a terribly short game because the bases are well spread out and none are in the center. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 16:15:52
25/01/2009 17:21:58 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Tygerdave Tank Offline	DO the replacement please. Higher straights is a boring map for red, blue controls all the early action and a lucky hit in the middle can end the game before it really gets going
25/01/2009 19:08:22 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
madmike Raider Offline	According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 19:08:46
25/01/2009 21:02:43 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Muzzafar Raider Offline	spadequack wrote:I am thinking of replacing the third round map (jeye's Higher Straits 1.2) with Stirling's Meadow: http://weewar.com/map/25744 . As Stirling has pointed out to me, Higher Straits has all of the power in the middle; whoever wins the middle essentially wins the game. Additionally, such maps are really difficult to balance well. I imagine games on this map would take fewer than 20 rounds for the middle to be decided. I haven't played the map much, but in my experiences on it, I feel that that is true. What do you all think? Not sure about everyone else, but I personally dislike Higher Straits very much - for exactly the same reasons as stated by Stirling. My only comment to Meadow would be that it is not exactly symmetrical, is it? (But I trust Stirling made sure it is balanced.) This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 25/01/2009 21:03:39
25/01/2009 22:40:37 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
spadequack Heavy Tank Offline	Muzzafar wrote: spadequack wrote:snip Not sure about everyone else, but I personally dislike Higher Straits very much - for exactly the same reasons as stated by Stirling. My only comment to Meadow would be that it is not exactly symmetrical, is it? (But I trust Stirling made sure it is balanced.) Meadow is very close to symmetric. The swamp placement and border water tiles are different but they make negligible difference in gameplay. Only red can capture first turn to offset blue's FTA. I'm not sure how the rest plays out since I haven't played that map yet. This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 25/01/2009 22:42:59
26/01/2009 01:51:38 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Juffe Raider Offline	I disagree that Higher Straits is all about the middle, and I disagree that one colour always wins. But it's ok if it's replaced, because it's too much about the first moves.
26/01/2009 02:56:33 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
VTTruck Berserker Offline	madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced. Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already.
26/01/2009 03:34:41 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Darkbee Berserker Offline	VTTruck wrote: madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced. Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already. To be fair on of those plays was against me and I probably s@%#w with the curve. Although I did play someone on that map, who is of about the same skill level as me, with myself as blue and I got slaughtered. So, I'm leaning towards bias is with red.
26/01/2009 11:35:24 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
VTTruck Berserker Offline	Darkbee wrote: VTTruck wrote: madmike wrote:According to my current plays. Red always wins higher straights, but yes it needs to be replaced. Damn. I didn't realize I'd lost our game already. To be fair on of those plays was against me and I probably s@%#w with the curve. Although I did play someone on that map, who is of about the same skill level as me, with myself as blue and I got slaughtered. So, I'm leaning towards bias is with red. I'm not sure this one is done either way, but I certainly don't feel like i've lost it yet. http://weewar.com/game/135026 This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 26/01/2009 11:35:30
26/01/2009 22:32:14 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Lucian Berserker Offline	You can still recover V, but I'm unsure if mike will let you. Good luck on it though.
26/01/2009 23:33:35 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Darkbee Berserker Offline	Interesting coz when I looked at the game earlier I think VT had a slight advantage.... must be that red bias kicking in.
28/01/2009 02:46:51 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
VTTruck Berserker Offline	funny, i still think i'm in the game. someone point out where its clearly lost for me and i'll surrender to mike here and now. edit: games done, pretty sure i didn't lose. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 28/01/2009 16:34:57
29/01/2009 01:28:22 The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Tygerdave Tank Offline	spadequack wrote: Games should be set up with a 1 day pace and should be rated. All units are allowed. Chat should be open for spectators. Do not boot idle players unless they have been idle for 1 week. I overlooked this rule and since I broke it, I'm removing myself. My apologies and well wishes to Decapitus.
29/01/2009 02:21:40 Re:The Second Annual Weewar Tournament Registration Begins!!!
Hal2000 Raider Offline	I think dropping out is silly. I watched that game and you had him beat which he admits. If he feels he had a chance to win, play another game and settle it. Having him take your place for an honest mistake isn't the answer.